we are delighted to be joined, now, by the admiral james lyons, retired commanr of the u.s. pacific fleet. it is always good to have you with us. thanks for being here. >> nice to be back with you, lou. >> lou: let's turn, to first, the talking points. which, it seems that no one after general petraeus made it clear there had been changes in those talking points, the testimony before congress has been surveyed, and congressman mike rogers, the chair of the house intelligence committee, said, it has to be the white house, because everybody else has testified that they didn't. do you agree? >> i agree. and, in that deputy's committee i'm hurry thehite house representative and the national security, from the national security agency, council, had his marching orders. >> lou: his marching orders and petraeus for his part says part of the confusion here, that is primarily, i believe, it is safe to say the confusion between the testimony he gave to congress, three days after september 11th, and what he said over the past few days, to congress, represents what happens when you try